7575 Van Buren Road, Baldwinsville, NY 13027
April 2008 Planning Board minutes
April 7, 2008
The Regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Van Buren, held at the Town building, 7575 Van Buren Road, Baldwinsville, New York, was called to order at 7:00p.m.
Those present joined in the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.
Roll Call: Harold Crandon present
James Virginia joined the Board at 7:06pm.
James Ruddock present
Eric Knapp present
Fred Thomas present
Norma Goodman present
Anthony Geiss, Chairman present
Also present: Brad Hunt, Attorney
Jim Billings, Town Engineer
Vera Cavallaro, Planning Board Secretary
MINUTES:
Minutes were approved as is.
Motion Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to accept the March Minutes as written. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Thomas. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously on a roll call vote that follows:
Mr. Virginia absent/arrived at 7:05pm
Mr. Thomas yes
Mr. Knapp yes
Mr. Crandon yes
Mr. Ruddock yes
Ms. Goodman yes
Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes
Mr. Crandon recused himself from the following application.
Motion 08-27 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to adjourn the regular meeting and go into the public hearing for Hawley Heights. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-28 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to waive the formal reading of the entire advertisement. Mr. Ruddock moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
HAWLEY HEIGHTS AMENDED - PUBLIC HEARING
East Sorrell Hill Rd Tax Map Parcel ID# 049-05-04.1 & 049-05-06.0
Mr. Charles Farrell was present to address the Board.
Mr. Farrell said that Bruce and Margaret Kramer are buying almost 30 acres of land from Harold and Connie Crandon and combining that with their current parcel which is along East Sorrell Hill Rd to make Lot 3 shown on the map. The land will remain agricultural and the primary purpose for the Kramer's buying this land is because there are two springs that are in Lot 3 that feed their home, so they are protecting their water source. Lot 3 is being taken off of two lots and it is a combination of the current Kramer parcel.
Mr. Farrell discussed the County comments with the Board.
Mr. Geiss said that no new lots are being created because this subdivision is being combined with the Kramer's so there will be no park fees.
Mr. Geiss asked if there was anyone who wished to speak either for or against this matter.
No one spoke.
Mr. Virginia joined the Board.
Motion 08-29 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to close the public hearing. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Mr. Crandon rejoined the Board.
Motion 08-30 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to open the public hearing for Hyacinth Land Development. Mr. Knapp moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Virginia. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-31 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to waive the reading of the public hearing notice. Mr. Ruddock moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
HYACINTH LAND DEVELOPMENT - PUBLIC HEARING
Van Buren & Ellsworth Rd. Tax Map Parcel ID# 031-02-06.2, 031-02-04.1 & 031-02-03
Mr. Jim Giancola was present to address the Board.
Mr. Giancola said they have a 49 acre property that has previously been approved for a PUD and they are proposing 59 single family residential homes, 20 attached units for a total of 79 with one lot, lot 62, for future development of apartment housing and Lot 61 which will be for commercial development of just over 3 acres. Primarily these lots are 15,000sf lots. The property is located on the corner of Van Buren Rd and Ellsworth Rd directly behind the Town Hall building. They have received approval from the County to name the site Marion Meadows and they have received some street names but they have not designated street names at this point because they would like to take a closer look at that. They have designed water systems, drainage systems, sewage systems, and the subdivision will have a sewer system that will connect into what is
called the Village Green extension next to the car wash and they will be tapping into public water so they will have municipal water as well. They will have a road exiting on to Ellsworth and one road exiting out to Van Buren Rd and in the back section by County and Planning Board request there is a hammer head that will allow for future expansion if the property next door needs to put a road through there at any point.
Mr. Giancola said that they have met several changes to meet the needs of the Planning Board and Code Enforcement with regard to safety and proper evacuation. All drainage systems have been designed and additional space has been added. There is a drainage system located at the bottom of the map by Route 690 and that is where the pumping station will also go for the sewers. There are storm water management areas down in the corners and they don't show any plans at this point in time for the apartments or the commercial lot but once they are at the phase where those would be developed those will be added in.
Mr. Geiss asked if there was anyone who wished to speak either for or against this proposed development.
No one spoke.
Motion 08-32 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to close the public hearing for Hyacinth Land Development. Ms. Goodman moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
The Board returned to its regular session.
SPANO, INC - ZONE CHANGE
Van Buren Rd Tax Map Parcel Id# 055-08-18 INP
Mr. Michael Fogel and Mr. Spano were present to address the Board.
Mr. Fogel said currently before the Board is Spano's application for a zone change from Industrial A to a Planned Industrial District to facilitate the development of a hot mix asphalt facility. They have been before the Board on a number of occasions and made a number of submittals as well and the last time they were before the Board, the Board discussed making a positive recommendation to the Town Board because there was a minor hitch in a zoning code section that could arguably be read to prohibit their project so they went before the Town Board and the Town Board had a public hearing on March 18th and for the record, no one spoke for or against the amendment to the code and the Town Board then voted unanimously to approve the code change to allow for hot mix facilities in an INP district.
Mr. Geiss read from the Town of Van Buren Zoning code which detailed items that the Board would need to or has covered in review of the Planned Industrial District.
Mr. Fogel said that the whole parcel is 42 acres but the part that they are asking to be re-zoned is for 20 some odd acres and the project would only be within that area being rezoned which is the center of that 40 acre parcel.
Mr. Fogel said that they submitted a map showing district boundary distances, setbacks, and distances to neighboring uses.
The Board and the applicant discussed the applicant's map.
Mr. Geiss said that the rezoning would have to be for the whole parcel and then the setbacks would bring them into the center.
Mr. Geiss said that this proposal is consistent with the Town's comprehensive plan and it is also consistent with objectives of the planned industrial district in that the applicant has gone beyond to give the Board large setbacks which have been proposed for this parcel in that they will only be using 20 acres out of the 42 acres that would actually be the working area available for the parcel. The vegetation and trees will also be maintained outside of the 20 acres.
Mr. Geiss asked the applicant about the traffic study that was done.
Mr. Fogel said that Rudy Zona prepared a comprehensive traffic study and they were able to determine from the study that levels of service would be adequate, site distances are more than adequate and they exceed what would typically be required for sight distances, the turning radius is adequate and they also determined that the traffic created from the project would not have an adverse impact on the area, neighboring roads, or intersections surrounding the site.
The Board and the applicant discussed the traffic study.
Mr. Geiss said that the major traffic other than local deliveries would be aimed and directed by the site to the Thruway and Route 690.
Mr. Billings asked if the traffic study was submitted to the County.
Mr. Fogel said that the County doesn't want to see the traffic study until they are further along in the process.
Mr. Fogel said that they are proposing to dig two wells; one will serve water for operations and the other will provide potable water for the handful of employees that will be on the site and there will also be a septic system that will be put in at this location which will be subject to Dept. of Health approval and they have already contacted County Health to alert them that they will be submitting application materials.
Mr. Geiss asked if they will have a detention basin on site.
Mr. Fogel said yes.
Ms. Goodman asked if there was enough area in the 20 acres for expansion.
Mr. Geiss said yes, they are not using the entire area at this time.
Motion 08-33 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to send a positive recommendation to the Town Board concerning the Spano Inc zone change for Van Buren Rd Tax Parcel Id# 055-08-18. The proposal is to change this parcel to a Planned Industrial District for the purpose of a hot mix asphalt facility. The Planning Board has reviewed the proposal and it is consistent with the Town's comprehensive plan and that this area is already in an industrial district and the Town would basically be forming a Planned Industrial District which is for heavy industrial use. This proposal is consistent with the purposes and objectives of the Planned Industrial District and it meets applicable general requirements in that it is located in an area that has a large buffer available
to it and there are 42 total acres of which only 20 acres will be used. Traffic to and from will have the ability to be handled by the major highways and this project will be further reviewed as this goes forward. Adequate service and utilities are available at this proposed site as well. Setbacks for this parcel as proposed would be a setback from the southerly property line of 200ft, and from both the east and west property lines would be 150ft and the setback from Van Buren Rd would be 340ft. Access would be only on Van Buren Rd. Ms. Goodman moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
SYRACUSE SMSA LIMITED PARTNERSHIP - SITE PLAN
O'Brien Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 051-04-01.1
Mr. Jared Lusk and Mr. Coleman Burke were present to address the Board.
Mr. Lusk said that at the ZBA meeting on March 17th the Zoning Board issued a negative declaration and approved the special use permit for this site. There were a couple of key conditions and a recommendation and one was that the tower be built as a 140ft tower that is extendable and built on a foundation to be extendable to 195ft and they have revised their site plan accordingly and the other was a recommendation by the ZBA chairman, Mr. Virginia, who wanted them to swap the equipment shelter and the tower locations so that the equipment shelter was on the northern most portion and the tower would be to the southeast of that so the revised version of the site plan does just that. They have placed the equipment shelters between the tower and the closet property boundary. The setback to the property line to the north and the Town property is
now 61ft and the tower is built to collapse at 52ft.
The Board discussed the setbacks surrounding the tower.
Mr. Geiss asked if the access road will be off of O'Brien Rd.
Mr. Lusk said yes, and that County asked them to remove the existing drive and the right of way that is to the south east and they have planned for that accordingly in the site plan.
Mr. Geiss said that the drawing states that the access road would be 12ft wide.
Mr. Billings said that the fire department usually requires 20ft.
Mr. Lusk said that they will revise that accordingly.
Mr. Geiss said that the Board likes to see pavement to the right of way line so that stones or other things aren't tracked out on the road.
Mr. Thomas asked if there would be a gate out on the road.
Mr. Lusk said that the County asked for a gate and that has been accounted for in the plans and there is a plan for the gate on the third page of the site plan package.
Ms. Goodman asked if most of the vegetation would be kept.
Mr. Lusk said yes, but they are up into some of the trees but the Board can see by the green in the plan what trees are remaining.
The Board discussed the gate and the security measures that would be in place.
The Board and the applicant discussed the possibility of the tower having to be lit if it should reach the height of 195ft but that it would be up to the FAA and that normally towers under 200ft are not lit.
Mr. Lusk stated that after Board approval the tower will need to be approved by the FAA.
Mr. Billings asked if there would be a sign at the road identifying the tower.
Mr. Lusk said that there will only be a sign at the tower to identify it and to ask people to stay out.
Motion 08-34 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare the Town of Van Buren Planning Board as lead agency a single agency uncoordinated review for the unlisted action under SEQR for the site plan for Syracuse SMSA Limited Partnership O'Brien Rd Tax Parcel Id# 051-04-01.1. This Board finds that there is no significant adverse environmental impact as a result of this action and the basis for this determination is that upon the review and the consideration of the full environmental assessment form the subject property is located in a PUD zone, has adequate space to locate the proposed telecommunication tower while minimizing adverse environmental impacts and additionally the proposed project poses no significant impacts on water, air, agricultural resources, or
community character and growth. There will be minimal noise associated with the proposal and visual impacts are mitigated by the sites location and design. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-35 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain the following motion:
Syracuse SMSA Limited Partnership, d/b/a Verizon Wireless applies for a Site Plan approval pursuant to Town of Van Buren Code Sections 200-32 and 200-79 to allow for a telecommunications tower at a leased location at O'Brien Road.
The property is zoned PUD and is known as tax map no. 051-04-01.1. In the PUD District, a telecommunications tower is a use allowed upon the grant of special permit by the ZBA. The ZBA granted a special permit by resolution dated March 17, 2008.
Applicant has submitted, and the Planning Board has reviewed, the following:
(1) An application packet under cover letter dated October 5, 2007 from Jared C. Lusk, Esq. of Nixon Peabody which includes Exhibits A through L detailing various aspects of the proposal.
(2) Site Plan Project Maps, titled Project #2005112718 updated most recently as of April 7, 2008, consisting of three sheets.
(3) Response dated December 17, 2007 from Mr. Lusk regarding comments from Onondaga County DOT and Onondaga County Planning Board.
In addition, the Board has been provided and reviewed the report of Ronald E. Graiff, P.E., hired as the Town's Consultant, dated November 29, 2007; the resolution of the Onondaga County Planning Board dated January 15, 2008; and the ZBA resolution dated March 17, 2008 approving the special permit.
The Onondaga County Planning Board reviewed the application pursuant to General Municipal Law Section 239-M and by resolution dated January 15, 2008 recommended the removal of an existing gravel driveway as a condition of board approval. The resolution also commented on the setback requirements for the tower. Applicant submitted a supplemental response with enclosures dated December 17, 2007 addressing each of the County's comments.
The Board has reviewed in detail the applicant's submissions which provide data regarding current coverage, gaps in existing coverage and proposals to reduce existing gaps in coverage. Reference is made to Exhibits D and E of applicant's 10-5-07 submission packet with respect to the coverage issues. Additionally the Town has retained an independent consultant, Ronald E. Graiff, P.E., to review the application packet. In a report dated November 29, 2007 Mr. Graiff noted that the O'Brien Road site would address existing gaps in coverage and approval of the application would be appropriate.
In reviewing the application the Board is cognizant of its review authority pursuant to the Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996 and has considered the submissions and testimony presented accordingly.
Exhibit G of applicant's 10-5-07 submission is a Full Environmental Assessment Form with a Visual EAF Addendum attached. Also submitted were Photo Simulation Report and a Drainage Report. The Board has reviewed the submitted forms and reports in its consideration of the application.
Based on the entire record regarding this application, including the above referenced documents, the Board finds and resolves as follows:
1. That matter is subject to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA). The matter is unlisted. The Board appoints itself lead agency for the uncoordinated review of this matter and finds there will be no significant adverse impact on the environment as a result of this action. The basis for this determination is that upon a review and consideration of the Full Environmental Assessment Form, the subject property, located in a PUD zone, has adequate space to locate the proposed telecommunication tower while minimizing adverse environmental impacts. Additionally the proposed project poses no significant impacts on water, air, agricultural resources or community character and growth there will be minimal noise associated with the proposal and visual impacts are mitigated by the
site's location and design.
2. The property is zoned to allow for telecommunications facilities, pursuant to resolution of the Town Board adopted December 27, 2007.
3. The Town Board established fifty-two (52) feet as the minimum acceptable setback from the tower to all property lines. Applicant has provided a letter from Stephen Yeo, P.E. of Sabre Communications Corporation dated January 22, 2007 addressing the structural design of the proposed lattice tower. Mr. Yeo indicates the tower is designed in accordance with specific Telecommunications Industry Association standards detailed in the letter and also states that in the event of a failure of the tower, the collapse of the tower would occur within 52 feet of the base of the tower. The ZBA has found that, even absent the establishment of a 52 feet setback by the Town Board, this application is appropriate for a variance from the requirements of Section 200-32 D(3). The Planning Board concurs
with the ZBA and the Town Board that 52 feet is an appropriate setback required for the telecommunication tower.
4. The report of Greg Hanley, RF design engineer, dated September 25, 2007 demonstrates an existing gap in wireless coverage in the Baldwinsville South area and the suitability of this proposed site to remedy the gap. Additionally the report documents the absence of existing towers in the affected area.
5. The November 29, 2007 report of Ronald Z. Graiff, P.E., hired by the Town to review applicant's submittals, confirms the current lack of wireless coverage and suitability of the proposed location to provide relief.
6. The analysis submitted by Millennium Engineering, P.C. dated September 26, 2007 indicates the proposed tower complies with applicable FCC exposure guidelines and limits with respect to radio frequency electromagnetic fields.
7. The proposed tower will be suitable for co-location of additional facilities to accommodate other providers, in conformity with Section 200-32 D (2).
8. The photo simulation report dated June 14, 2007, prepared by Costich Engineering indicates that the proposed location minimizes the adverse visual effect on the surrounding environment.
10. Pursuant to Sections 200-32 and 200-79 of the Code, the Board finds the proposed site plan merits approval, as follows:
(a) The proposed use is consistent with the long term development objectives of the area and is serviced by utilities necessary for its operation;
(b) The scale and design of the site and proposed use minimize the effect on the surrounding area given it will be conducted entirely within an area of .11 acres, is in compliance with Town requirements and will be developed to be visually compatible with conditions of the site and surrounding properties;
(c) The design of the site provides for adequate vehicular movement and there is adequate space for the facility and for internal traffic.
(d) The site is adequately served by public utilities;
(e) Drainage on the site will not be significantly affected by the proposed use;
(f) Regarding aesthetics, on site vegetation is preserved as much as possible and improvements are designed to minimize the visual impact of the improvements consistent with the existing conditions;
(g) Emissions from the site will be minimal.
(h) The proposed site plan application enclosures adequately demonstrate the layout of the proposed facility, the proposed use and capacity of the facility and justification for tower height. The plan provides for an access road and parking to minimize disturbance to the site. Utility connection will be located underground.
(i) The application demonstrates that shared use of any existing towers is not feasible and that its proposed tower will accommodate additional users.
(j) The proposed setback of 52 feet is appropriate given the structural design of the proposed tower and proximity to other properties.
(k) The proposed location isolates the visual impact and provides for a minimal adverse visual effect on the environment.
4. Site Plan approval is granted pursuant to Code Sections 200-32, 200-79, and all other applicable provisions of the Code, so as to allow for operation of a 140' telecommunication tower facility designed structurally to permit expansion up to 195 feet in accordance with the parameters outlined in applicants' submissions, including the Site Plan Project Maps titled Project #2005112718 updated most recently as of April 7, 2008, subject to the applicant obtaining site plan approval for any future expansion from the Town's Planning Board.
The applicant has proposed on the plan that they will remove the existing gravel driveway and will also pave the proposed driveway which is now to be a 20ft wide drive paved to the right of way property line off of O'Brien Rd. The gate must also be enlarged to fit the driveway and so no vehicles can go around the gate. A letter must also be revised from the tower manufacturer to show a 52ft fall zone for a lattice tower. Ms. Goodman moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Thomas. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
The Board discussed the impacts that were found in the review of the Environmental Assessment form at the ZBA meeting.
Ms. Rosen, an audience member, said that the ZBA found certain things to have a small to moderate impact and the ZBA realized those things would not be addressed by the site plan and therefore there would continue to always be a small to moderate risk depending on the areas.
Mr. Virginia said that risk is a broad term and asked Ms. Rosen to accurately describe what risks she is referring to because risks can be interpreted in a lot of ways and he would like to know what Ms. Rosen's interpretation of the risk of this project is.
Ms. Rosen said that the ZBA specifically mentioned 5 numbers and she doesn't know what those numbers were but the ZBA asked if the risks were going to be completely mitigated and she just wanted to let the Board know from her memory that some of those things would not be addressed such as there will be a visual impact to the property area and concerns of the community was one of the things that the ZBA recognized would be impacted as well as things like their property values and the ultimate character of the neighborhood would forever be changed and those are some of things that there is no mitigation provided for.
Mr. Crandon recused himself from the following application.
HAWLEY HEIGHTS AMENDED - SUBDIVISION
East Sorrell Hill Rd Tax Map Parcel ID# 049-05-04.1 & 049-05-06.0
Mr. Charles Farrell was present to address the Board.
Mr. Farrell said that there are two tax parcels involved in this subdivision but just one deed; the remaining lands, the bulk of what lot 3 is originally is 73.15 acres and there is going to be 46 acres left over so the Kramer's are buying 27.15 acres from that parcel. The parcel to the north is tax map parcel 06.0 and they are buying 2.61acres out of that parcel for a total of 29.76 acres. The surveyor has already included into lot 3 the parcel that the Kramer's own along East Sorrell Hill Rd and that parcel is 1.86 acres which brings them to the 32.65 acres as shown for lot 3. They will be consolidating the piece that they are buying from the Crandon's into their piece to make one parcel that will be known as lot 3.
Mr. Geiss said 27.15 acres will be off of the 049-05-04 parcel and 2.61 acres out of 049-05-06 and that adds up to 29.76 acres.
The Board discussed County comments with the applicant.
Mr. Geiss said that there will be 812ft of frontage on Lot 3 for any future development and the remaining lands are not for residential development.
The Board discussed renaming the remaining lands as the tax map numbers instead of lot numbers as County suggested.
Mr. Farrell stated that they would have the map revised to show the tax map numbers.
Motion 08-36 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the Hawley Heights Amended Subdivision on East Sorrell Hill Rd Tax Map Parcel Id#049-05-04.1 & 049-05-06.0. This is a subdivision which is going to take land from two different parcels and combine it with an existing parcel on East Sorrell Hill Rd. It is proposed that off of tax map #04 which has a total acreage of 73.15 acres, 46 acres will remain so therefore the new parcel of 27.15 acres will be part of the new proposed lot 3 and off of tax parcel #06 which is 29.61 acres, 27 acres will remain, therefore 2.61 acres will be part of the new proposed lot 3. The total acreage in lot 3 will be combined with the existing Kramer property located on East Sorrell Hill Rd and the total acreage of the new
lot 3 will be 32.85 acres. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried on a roll call vote that follows:
Mr. Virginia yes
Mr. Thomas yes
Mr. Knapp yes
Mr. Crandon recused
Mr. Ruddock yes
Ms. Goodman yes
Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes
Mr. Harold Crandon rejoined the Board.
HYACINTH LAND DEVELOPMENT - SUBDIVISION
Van Buren & Ellsworth Rd. Tax Map Parcel ID#'s 031-02-06.2, 031-02-04.1 & 031-02-03.0
Mr. Jim Giancola was present to address the Board.
Mr. Geiss read a summary of County comments and discussed the comments with the applicant.
Mr. Giancola said that they have sent the traffic study to County DOT and to Barton and Loguidice. The traffic impact study was done once and done a second time because they made some modifications to the plan; they originally had the Van Buren Rd entrance road down near the Town Hall and they moved it up so they did have an additional traffic study done and there was no significant impact.
Mr. Billings said that they haven't heard from the County yet but they agree that there will be no significant impact but the County is going to have to approve this.
Mr. Giancola said that they have also submitted the storm water report to the State and the County and have not heard back from them yet and he believes that the preliminary work that Plumley has done shows that there are no issues.
Mr. Billings said that the storm water facilities will be dedicated to the Town since it is part of the Seneca drainage district.
Mr. Giancola said that he is still waiting for a response from County Dept. of Water Environment Protection.
Mr. Geiss said that they must submit the required permit to occupy County lands to the Metropolitan Water Board prior to installing any permanent improvements within the County easement and that is something that they would have to do before they could build on those lots or get a building permit and that they will need to obtain permits when they disturb the wetlands that are on the property.
Mr. Geiss asked if they have contacted the County to get approval for the name of the subdivision.
Mr. Giancola said yes and they have approved Marion Meadows as the name of the subdivision and they are working on street names.
Mr. Geiss said that they also need to submit the subdivision plan to OCWA for review.
The Board discussed sidewalks with the applicant.
Motion 08-37 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to table this application until the Board's next meeting. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
FULL GOSPEL CHURCH OF GOD - SITE PLAN
Van Buren Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id#051-03-19.0
Mr. Matt Napierala and Mr. Richard Wicks were present to address the Board.
Mr. Napierala said that they have addressed the outstanding items with the newest set of site plans and they did a minor relocation of the facility by about 30ft further into the site to the south and part of the relocation dealt with moving the entry because the entry before was directed at their neighbor across the street and they have essentially balanced that entry to the south so that the access onto Van Buren Rd is equalized between the adjoining neighbors which they believe is an improvement to where they were before. As requested by the Board they have added appropriate landscaping on the frontage of Van Buren Rd; there is some existing scrub and vegetative cover along that frontage and they have addressed that on their landscaping plan and they are far enough away from the right of way that they will be planting some junipers, red
cedars and some sporadic locations of some white spruces and they will intermix any suitable and existing species that exist.
Mr. Napierala said the lighting plan gives a complete photometric of the parking lot and it is very calm lighting with some wall packs on the church. On an average they have a 2.5 foot candle which is suitable for parking but not overly intrusive and there are mostly 0 and .1 foot candles on Van Buren Rd.
Mr. Napierala said that their first submittal showed a pylon sign and they are now providing a stone and brick mortared monument sign and if for some reason the codes office decides that is not acceptable they can tweak the sign. The sign will be located in the island at the front of their site.
Mr. Napierala said that they have a letter from County DOT stating that the access is acceptable and they also have an approved County septic system plan from Mr. Till's office for their onsite subsurface disposal.
Mr. Geiss asked if they relocated the planter out of the County right of way.
Mr. Napierala said that has been corrected.
Ms. Goodman asked if the monument sign would be lit.
Mr. Napierala said that it would have some up lighting with small wattage lights.
Mr. Wicks said the sign would have a white background with black letters.
The Board discussed the parking lot being gravel with the applicant.
Mr. Napierala stated that the parking lot will eventually be paved and the detention basin was calculated with the consideration of the asphalt parking lot.
Mr. Geiss asked what the plan was concerning water.
Mr. Napierala said that their plan is for public water and that they are in talks with OCWA for an extension of the water which is about 1300ft from their site and how that will be done has not been finalized and determined other than they know that they will bring public water.
Mr. Geiss said that they are not in a water district.
Mr. Napierala said that they have submitted the planning documents to create that district and they have also had planning discussions with OCWA and the Town as far as a creation of a district map that Mr. Wicks is using in these discussions. They do understand that a district creation will be needed.
The Board and the applicant discussed the church providing all the funds to extend the water and public involvement in creating a district.
Ms. Goodman asked about the future driveway that is shown on the plan.
Mr. Napierala said the only thought and plan is a future potential recreation field.
Mr. Ruddock asked how they plan on maintaining the drainage swale that is 24" wide and 18" deep.
Mr. Billings said that B&L has some comments that still need to be brought to the applicant's attention and that was one of the comments, so Barton and Loguidice will work with them on that.
Motion 08-38 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion with regard to SEQR that the Planning Board has reviewed the plans with the latest date of 3/19/08 which are from C1 - C10 and A1 - A4 in the set and that there is no adverse environmental impact with regard to the Full Gospel Church of God proposal. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-39 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the site plan for the Full Gospel Church of God on Van Buren Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id#051-03-19.0 per the plans which are dated 11/19/2007 with latest revision being 3/19/08 with the provisions that the future driveway as shown on the plans is not part of this approval at this time and that the drainage will be further reviewed and comments of the Town engineer will be complied with and also the color of the sign as proposed in the drawings will be white with black letters and further that water will be provided to this site from a public water supply and will be brought in by the applicant. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried,
unanimously.
SUNMEADOWS SECTION 3 - PRELIMINARY PLOT CHANGES AMENDED
Tax Map ID #'s 033-04-02.1, 04.0 and 033.-05-01.0, 15.0
Mr. Jason Kantak and Mr. Bill Price were present to address the Board.
Mr. Kantak said that they are presenting the next section of the subdivision. The overall project had preliminary plat approval for the entire subdivision of which as each section comes on line construction drawings would be presented and signed off on prior to construction. Sections 1 and 2 have gone though that process and they had gone through a little bit of reconfiguration on section 1 and subsequently also did a little reconfiguration on section 2 based on lot lines and based on working with the current builder, Ryan Homes, and now section 3 which are the 26 lots that they are presenting the Board with now. The whole project had been master planned as part of preliminary plat approval for all the storm water management, sanitary sewers, water and so forth. There is essentially a high point that occurs in that area and the majority of
the property goes to the north west and the remaining smaller portion goes to the south east.
Mr. Kantak said the storm water management areas have been constructed right in the center and also along the back of section 1 as continuation of section 3 and future sections there will be another storm water management area built in the south east corner of the property. The entire infrastructure that has been built to date has been certified and tested and they are already building on the lots out there and the next step is to get this section built so that Ryan Homes can continue on building at current demand that they are receiving. They have had several discussions with Barton and Loguidice and they have allocated a property which Pooler currently owns that as part of the original preliminary plat wasn't included in the master planning so they have re-distributed the lot layout and until such time as that is included in the overall
plan they have allocated off just a stub road that would go into there.
Mr. Geiss asked what the original section 3 looked like.
Mr. Kantak said that there were a total of 119 lots approved in the overall preliminary plot and what is in front of the Board now brings them up to a total of 101 lots, so they have 18 less lots.
Mr. Billings said that the original section 3 included what they are now calling section 4.
Mr. Geiss said originally coverage was for a total of 119 lots all the way to Meigs Rd and now there are only 101 lots.
Mr. Virginia asked why they are not taking the road all the way through to Meigs Rd.
Mr. Kantak said the major concern is the cost and there is no need to go and build all the infrastructure right up front. Ryan Homes is building out rapidly but their agreement is to have 25 lots per year so to bring that out to Meigs Rd at this time is an addition 500-600ft more.
Mr. Geiss said that there was an early condition on this for Meigs Rd and asked the applicant where this stands with the Village of Baldwinsville for access to Meigs Rd.
Mr. Price said that they had worked with the previous Mayor and Town engineer for the Village and they were contacted about some drainage issues on Meigs Rd but there has been no further discussion with anyone from the new administration or the new Town engineer with regard to access on to Meigs Rd. When they purchased the other 9 acres they did have to work with the Village because they had to subdivide the existing house and garage and they annexed that property into the Village so that they could get water service since that house was on a well service and the Village would not accept that as an out of district use so that piece was annexed in. There is still a piece of this future parcel that does touch on Meigs Rd that is still part of that, and that is the only discussion that they have had with the Village.
Mr. Price said that Ryan Homes has been selling well and they appreciate that and that has been going ok but they just aren't sure how well that is going to continue through this year and into early next year. They still have 10 or 11 lots that are unsold in section 2 and their contract is once they get down to 9 lots they have to proceed to build the next section which is really 16 lots that they have to do on an annual basis and what they are showing is 25 lots. They don't know if they should build the 25 as requested thinking Ryan is going to have a good year or do they back it off to somewhere around 13 or 14 lots which would pull them back in to about the point were they think that future access drive is going to be. That would make sense from an engineering standpoint that they don't put in one or two lengths of the sanitary sewer and
they have a high point in the road so that they are not down there trying to reconstruct the drainage portion down there but they are open to discussion and they know what they have been asked to do and this represents what Ryan believes they can build and they did not want to extend that out to Meigs Rd just because putting in the road and the utilities for the future is an expense and they don't know if they are going to sell even half of the lots that they are proposing so he would rather not go and make that connection until they know how well the development is going.
Mr. Virginia said from a life and safety issue he thinks it is prudent to punch that road through because they are adding 2 to 3 minutes more time if they are coming from the Village to service a fire on those outer lots because the fire department is going to have to come all the way down and then through Sun Meadows and snake around in the subdivision and come back through versus a straight shot up Meigs Rd.
Ms. Goodman said that at the time the Planning Board was talking to the Village the Village said that Meigs Rd couldn't handle all that traffic and that the Village didn't want to upgrade Meigs Rd.
Mr. Geiss told the applicant that they need to coordinate with the Village and that they are dividing two thirds of Section 3 and providing a long cul-de-sac so they will have emergency problems and originally the Board looked at this with the fact that the road was going to go through and he thinks all of the traffic studies were done that Meigs Rd would be included as part of the traffic control for this whole development and as they showed this to people while selling the development, the people were told that they would have another access in the future.
Mr. Price said that they never stated that they wouldn't and they have always shown the whole build out.
Mr. Geiss said that they are forming a long cul-de-sac that the Town would have to live with for whatever length of time and that isn't what the Board prefers and he doesn't know that the fire department would like that for emergency purposes and other things. The Board also doesn't know where this road sits with the Village and these questions need to be addressed.
The applicant asked if the Village would be a part of the SEQR process or just a negotiation between the applicant and the Village.
The Board stated that it would be between the applicant and the Village.
The Board and the applicant discussed the continued growth of Meigs Rd that is and would be contributing to the traffic on that road.
Mr. Price said that they could go and talk to the Village and they are obligated on their topping and minor reconstruction up near McDonald's and Downer St and getting the subdivision topped, they have a commitment to do that but he would be concerned about the Board asking them to build the road the rest of the way to Meigs Rd and he could see emergency access and construction access but he doesn't know that coming as far as they will be really justifies taking the road out with all the utilities and infrastructure.
Mr. Geiss said that is not the presentation that the Board previously approved and the applicant presented all of section 3 not a section 3 and 4 and the traffic study that was done at that time included that when section 3 was done it would go out to Meigs Rd and that was the traffic that impacted with Crego and Downer St. and now the Board has to look at redoing all of that and seeing if it is acceptable but he thinks from a fire, safety, and an overall standpoint if this will ever happen is the question that he has. He understands that today's climate is different and he doesn't deny that but they have to be able to get out to Meigs Rd with this to do anything otherwise there will be one long cul-de-sac.
The Board discussed the long cul-de-sac with the applicant and what the Town allows.
Mr. Kantak said that he thinks that they are looking at two issues here; safety and fire access but they are also looking at a traffic issue for residents in the area and he thinks that everyone would agree that the better of this would be that they have the residents go through signal lights.
Mr. Billings said that is not the way the traffic study was presented. The traffic study showed a certain amount of traffic going towards Meigs Rd when that portion was connected and that signal was designed in accordance with that, with a certain amount of traffic coming down. The initial traffic study did not show all of the subdivision traffic going through that intersection with or without a signal and at the very least the Board would have to see something that indicates that the signal still works with whatever additional traffic that would be coming from this area.
The Board discussed holding a public hearing for the preliminary plat since the changes are significant.
The Board discussed the applicant going to the Village to discuss access onto Meigs Rd.
Mr. Billings asked if the drainage would change with this layout.
Mr. Kantak said that it will remain the same.
The Board discussed the sanitary sewers and storm water management areas for the rest of the development.
The Board discussed calling for a public hearing for the amended preliminary plat if the current map was changed to show section 3 all the way to Meigs Rd.
Motion 08-40 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to call a public hearing for Sun Meadows regarding the amended preliminary plot for Section 3 for May 5, 2008 at 7:05pm. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Mr. Geiss asked that the applicant submit a short form SEQR, speak to the Village and submit a revised map.
OTHER BUSINESS
Mr. Geiss discussed the windmill draft and the Town Board calling a public meeting to discuss that and other changes that were discussed at the Land Use Committee meeting and that the next Planning and Zoning (Land Use) Committee meeting will be on April 27, 2008 at 7pm.
The Board discussed the Downer St Corridor meeting with the public and that the next public meeting will be in August.
The Board discussed McDonald's closing their entrance and the gas station changing their entrance and Mr. Geiss said that Mr. Pringle and the County are working on that.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion
Mr. Geiss called for a Motion to adjourn at 10:16 p.m. Mr. Virginia moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Knapp. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted,
Vera Cavallaro
Planning Board Secretary
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