7575 Van Buren Road, Baldwinsville, NY 13027
June 2008 Regular Planning Board meeting minutes
June 2, 2008
The Regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Van Buren, held at the Town building, 7575 Van Buren Road, Baldwinsville, New York, was called to order at 7:00p.m.
Those present joined in the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.
Roll Call: Harold Crandon present
James Virginia present
James Ruddock present
Eric Knapp present
Fred Thomas present
Norma Goodman present
Anthony Geiss, Chairman present
Also present: Brad Hunt, Attorney
Jim Billings, Town Engineer
Dave Pringle, Code Enforcement Officer
Vera Cavallaro, Planning Board Secretary
MINUTES:
Minutes were approved as is.
Motion Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to accept the May Minutes as written. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously on a roll call vote that follows:
Mr. Virginia yes
Mr. Thomas yes
Mr. Knapp yes
Mr. Crandon yes
Mr. Ruddock yes
Ms. Goodman yes
Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes
MCDONALDS - SITE PLAN MODIFICATION
2234 Downer St. Tax Map Parcel Id# 033.1-05-02.2
Mr. Chris Boyea and Mr. Paul Ross were present to address the Board.
Mr. Boyea said they have moved the proposed right out exit east from the intersection so that it lines up better with the drive-thru traffic.
The Board and the applicant discussed tractor trailers entering and exiting the premises and the Board provided the applicant with a picture of a truck exiting onto Sun Meadows Way.
Mr. Boyea said that they would be willing to add an entrance only on Sun Meadows Way but that entrance would not help the truck and it is their intent that the drive-thru is self governing and that when the drive-thru is full the stack would go around the building.
The Board and the applicant discussed how the trucks currently navigate the site.
Mr. Ross said that the overhang on the drive-thru side on the front of the building has been damaged by the tops of trucks and he has had that repaired numerous times because the trucks are going out the front entrance but the majority of the trucks come in the front entrance down the side of the building, unload and then the trucks goes around the building and out the front.
Mr. Virginia asked if the truck in the picture that the Codes Office provided is the average truck size that delivers to the site.
Mr. Boyea said yes.
Mr. Thomas asked if they could change the radius that is in the back entrance because he was watching automobiles go on the other side of the road to get out because there is not much of a radius.
Mr. Virginia asked how much property they own in the rear of the property that is not currently paved.
Mr. Boyea said that they own several feet past the ditch that is in the back.
Mr. Billings asked if there is really a need for the double drive thru lane because it sounds like the double drive-thru lane is somewhat causing this problem.
Mr. Boyea said that it is a need for the stacking because the stacking goes all the way out into the road and more than 50% of the business is drive-thru.
Mr. Billings asked if there is an opportunity to extend the pavement in the back which would give them more room to get the trucks out and around.
Mr. Boyea said that he is not sure if the drainage channel back there has any easements or rights but they can look into that and see if there is anything that would prevent them from doing that.
Mr. Billings said that the Board would prefer if the trucks came out the back because if the trucks come out the front the majority of the trucks he thinks want to go to Route 690 and make a left and making that an exit would force the trucks right into the Village and then the trucks would have to make a turn somewhere and that is not a good situation either so what the Board would like to see is the truck going out onto Sun Meadows Way and take a left at the light so if there is some way of expanding the pavement so that truck can get out the back might solve the problem.
The Board and the applicant discussed a truck only entrance further in the back.
Mr. Crandon said that his son, John, drives for Auburn Roll and occasionally delivers to this facility and he wrote a letter to the Planning Board.
Mr. Crandon said that John seems to indicate that a lot of the problem with the facility starts at the red light. At the red light leaving Downer St there are no shoulders to the right by Sunoco Gas Station and a 48ft trailer has difficulty making that turn and they have to make a button whole turn taking a portion of the left turn lane that goes to Crego Rd and they have to take half of that street in order to make a right hand turn on to Sun Meadows so they can't make the turn unless they take up the entire oncoming lane of traffic. His son feels that with no shoulders on either road it makes it difficult but in particular the stop line for the traffic light is too close to the traffic light and even a truck coming from Sun Meadows to go back out Downer St can't always make the turn if the people going to Crego Rd pull right up to the line.
The drivers do not feel that the traffic light is very friendly to tractor trailers and if they get pushed over into River Mall the problem is just being compounded and drivers want to get back on Rt 690 and not have to go through Baldwinsville. John would like to see the entrance exit on Downer St stay as an entrance and exit but be moved more to the east so the trucks can get back onto Downer.
Mr. Billings said that he doesn't think that is an option.
Mr. Crandon said he likes the idea of the third or additional driveway on Sun Meadows to let the trucks get squared around so they can come up and to see if the Board can get the County to push the stop lines back at the traffic light so that a truck can make a turn there but he thinks the whole situation needs more study from all agencies.
Mr. Virginia said that he thinks the Board is pushing tractor trailer traffic onto another owner's property and that will increase the use of that asphalt and he thinks they are taking a bad situation and relocating it to a different property and he doesn't know if that is the right solution and the more he thinks about this it seems like a delivery only type entry exit on the south portion of the property where they extend that back further seems like the best option and how to cut the corners from Downer St to Sun Meadows is an issue that the Board would have to take up with County DOT for the striping and everything else because he doesn't know if that road can be widened any more.
Mr. Geiss asked the applicant to leave their map with the engineer and to think about the suggestions that the Board has given them for the next Board meeting and to also see how the delivery trucks are entering or exiting the premises.
The Board discussed the parking that is required.
Mr. Ruddock said according to the applicant's map when they look at the turning of the trucks, the trucks are cutting into parking spaces so they have to assume that there are no people parking so if they are delivering at 2pm they have the potential that someone is sitting in their car in the way and showing a map that utilizes parking spaces to make turns and swings just isn't logical and from his standpoint he would be more inclined to say ok if they took out the parking spaces.
The Board discussed an overflow parking or asphalt area in the back of the property.
Mr. Boyea said that they would look at the area in the back that would be designed so the trucks can make a bigger loop and head out.
Mr. Geiss asked the applicant to look at the alternatives that were discussed and come back to the Board next month with plans so the Board has something to look at.
The Board discussed the right turn only onto Downer St. and that it would be a passenger vehicle exit.
Mr. Boyea said that they will look at having two accesses on Sun Meadows Way and they will also work with the Town engineer on that.
Motion 08-43 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to look at the McDonald's application as an incomplete action and therefore the Board will wait for resubmission. Mr. Ruddock moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Virginia. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
CYN PROPERTIES, LLC - SITE PLAN
2273 Downer St Tax Map Parcel Id# 034-04-04
Mr. Jim Giancola was present to address the Board.
Mr. Giancola said that they have received County comments and have spoken with the DOT.
Mr. Geiss said that the County comments stated that the County Planning Board has determined that this referral will have no significant inter-community or county wide implication and may subsequently be acted on solely by the referring Board.
Mr. Giancola said that they have addressed signage, landscaping, handicap accessibility and sidewalk possibility and they also cleaned up the drawing with regard to setbacks.
The Board discussed the parking and determined the amount of spaces to be acceptable.
The Board asked that the applicant pave the driveway at least 25ft in to keep stone and gravel off of the road.
The Board discussed types of paving the applicant can use.
The Board discussed the sign and asked the applicant to bring a sketch of the sign to the codes office.
Mr. Giancola said that the sign would not have any lights on it.
The Board discussed the landscaping plan that the applicant submitted and determined that it is acceptable.
Motion 08-44 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare the Town of Van Buren Planning Board as lead agency, a single agency, uncoordinated review for the unlisted action under SEQR for the site plan for CYN Properties, LLC 2273 Downer St Tax Map Parcel Id# 034-04-04. This is a property that is approximately 1 acre with an existing house structure of which now the applicant is proposing to use as local business and has proposed to use the existing driveway off the road with some minor landscaping in front. Everything complies with the character of the existing area and there is no significant adverse impact with regard to this action. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-45 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to table this application until the applicant brings in a final plan that is signed and stamped. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Thomas. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
The Board asked that the final plans include the 25ft of pavement and signage.
HUNTERFIELD GROUP INC - ZONE CHANGE
7181 Van Buren Rd Tax Map Parcel Id# 051-02-25.0 AR-80 to PUD
The Board appointed Mr. Virginia and Mr. Knapp to be on the committee and that Mr. Ruddock would be an alternate for Mr. Virginia.
The Board discussed acceptable dates and asked that the secretary coordinate that with the Town Board members that will be on the committee.
WELLNER - SUBDIVISION
1696 Kingdom Rd Tax Map Parcel Id# 042-02-16.3
Mr. Tom Sciuga was present to address the Board.
Mr. Sciuga said that he would like to subdivide a 2 acre parcel and create a flag lot for the 13 acres.
The Board asked when the last subdivision of this parcel took place.
The secretary said that the she was informed by the surveyor that it was in May of 1997.
Mr. Scuiga said that he has an application in for the driveway cut to County DOT.
The Board discussed the building line of the flag lot.
Mr. Pringle said that the building line is 60ft back from where the lot becomes legal width.
The Board asked that the building line be shown on the final drawing.
The Board discussed the length to width ratio for the remaining lands and the Board determined that the lot that the applicant is creating is a legal lot and the remaining lands have always been legal non-conforming.
The Board asked that the applicant rename lot 3 as remaining lands and to remove the numbers from the previous subdivision.
Motion 08-46 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare the Wellner subdivision as a minor subdivision. Ms. Goodman moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-47 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare the Town of Van Buren Planning Board as lead agency, a single agency, uncoordinated review for the unlisted action under SEQR for the Wellner subdivision at 1696 Kingdom Rd Tax Map Parcel Id# 042-02-16.3. This is the subdivision of an existing lot into two lots with remaining lands being 13.36 acres and the lot 1 being 1.836 acres. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-48 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to submit the Wellner subdivision to County Planning for review. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
SABRE - SITE PLAN
115 Railroad St Tax Map Parcel Id# 054-03-03
Mr. Dave Morris was present to address the Board.
Mr. Morris said that they purchased the old Agway property and would like to do some interior work as soon as they can so they can move their office's there.
Mr. Morris said that they are going to dress up the area and repave the driveways and they will also have a lay down area for some of their equipment. They intend to paint the building and put in new windows, lighting, and landscaping. They will also be leaving the buffer zone with the neighbor's by keeping the trees.
Mr. Thomas asked if the will be bringing things back from demolition jobs.
Mr. Morris said that the only things that they will have are their machines and they will only be there in between jobs to get serviced because they work throughout the country so they are not back that often. They will also have a lockable swing gate.
The Board discussed this parcel also being a part of the Town of Camillus and that the Town of Camillus will need to be notified.
Mr. Billings asked that they lay out the parking areas on the new drawing.
The Board discussed the amount of employees and that from 3 to 6 parking spaces would be used per day with the maximum of 10 on a rare day.
Mr. Morris said that they also have an overflow parking area.
The Board discussed the outside storage area for the machines and the applicant stated that since they work all over the country that there will probably only be 1 to 2 pieces of machine there at any given time.
Mr. Morris said that their hours of operation would be 7am to 5pm and occasional training on Saturdays.
Mr. Geiss asked that the applicant submit another plan showing detailed parking, lighting, and the areas outside the building that are going to be affected and also a drawing showing the color, size and location of the sign.
Mr. Billings stated that this will not affect drainage because there will not be any new pavement area.
Motion 08-49 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare the Town of Van Buren Planning Board as lead agency, a single agency, uncoordinated review for the unlisted action under SEQR for the site plan review for Sabre at 115 Railroad St Tax Map Parcel Id# 054-03-03. This is the use of an existing building where the old Agway structure is off Warners Rd and the conversion of this building into a contractor's facility and contractor's yard. Ms. Goodman moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Thomas. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Motion 08-50 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to refer the site plan for Sabre with the changes on the plans showing the lighting, signage and other details to Onondaga County Planning for their review and Town of Camillus for comments. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
PERYEA - SITE PLAN
7088 Interstate Island Rd Tax Map Parcel ID# 056-03-04
No one was present to address the Board.
Motion 08-51 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to table the application for Peryea. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
SPANO, INC - ZONE CHANGE
Van Buren Rd Tax Map Parcel Id# 055-08-18 IND Overlay
Mr. Geiss asked the Board members to start reviewing the SEQR form.
The Board set a special meeting to begin reviewing SEQR for June 19, 2008 from 7pm to 9pm.
SUNMEADOWS SECTION 3 - PRELIMINARY PLOT CHANGES AMENDED
Tax Map ID #'s 033-04-02.1, 04.0 and 033.-05-01.0, 15.0
Mr. Price from Pooler Development discussed the Sun Meadows Section 3 proposed development with the Board with regard to the connection at Meigs Rd in the Village.
The Board told Mr. Price to turn in the agreement with the Village as soon as it is completed and the new drawings showing the changes at Meigs Rd.
Motion 08-52 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to set the public hearing for Sun Meadows Section 3 for July 7, 2007 at 7:05pm. Mr. Ruddock moved to accept the motion, seconded by Ms. Goodman. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion
Mr. Geiss called for a Motion to adjourn at 9:45 p.m. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Knapp. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted,
Vera Cavallaro
Planning Board Secretary
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