Van Buren, NY - May 2007 Planning Board minutes

May 2007 Planning Board minutes


	May 7, 2007 The Regular Meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Van Buren, held at the Town Building, 7575 Van Buren Road, Baldwinsville, New York, was called to order at 7:00 pm. Those present joined in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Roll Call: Harold Crandon present James Virginia absent James Ruddock present Eric Knapp absent/late Fred Thomas present Mary Frances Sabin excused Anthony Geiss, Chairman present Also present: Brad Hunt, Attorney Jim Billings, Engineer Dave Pringle, Codes Enforcement Officer Vera Cavallaro, Planning Board Secretary MINUTES: Mr. Crandon made a correction to a typo a page 30. Motion Mr. Crandon made a motion to accept the April minutes as amended. Mr. Thomas seconded the motion, there was no further discussion; motion carried, unanimously on a roll call vote that follows: Mr. Virginia absent Mr. Thomas yes Mr. Knapp absent/late Mr. Crandon yes Mr. Ruddock yes Ms. Sabin excused Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes CANNATA MEADOWS - SUBDIVISION State Fair Blvd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 064 - 01 - 33.1 Mr. Cannata Jr. was present to address the Board. Mr. Geiss said that there is no park fees for this subdivision because it is commercial. Mr. Geiss read the County Comments aloud. Mr. Geiss stated that the applicant has a letter from the NYS DOT for road access for lot 2 and the DOT has accepted the access for the 60ft parcel with the condition that any future development of lot 4 will have access off of the 60ft right of way. Mr. Crandon asked if they were intending to keep the house that is on that property as it is and the people that live there have a driveway now so that if they don't change any current use they can continue to use it as is. Mr. Cannata Jr. said that they would be keeping it as it is. Mr. Geiss said that if they change the use than they have to come off of the 60ft. Mr. Geiss said that the wetland areas are shown on lot 2 and there is further wetland through lot 3 which is not shown but nothing is being divided on lot 3. There are no proposed changes to lot 3 at this time. Mr. Ruddock said there was some confusion because the County is saying that lot 3 is proposed when it is an existing lot; so the only new lot is lot 2 and they do have that indicated on the map. Mr. Geiss said that lot 4 has been modified so the 60ft right of way comes through part of lot 1. Lot 4 is being reduced in size so that the 60ft right of way comes all off of lot 1. Mr. Geiss asked if anyone had any questions. Motion # 07-67 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion with regard to SEQR for the Cannata Meadows Subdivision State Fair Blvd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 064 - 01 - 33.1. The Planning Board has previously taken lead agency with regard to this subdivision proposal and this subdivision actually creates lot 2 out of lot 3 and modifies lot 1 so that there is access off of Route 49 and the other access to lot 2 has also been approved by the NYS DOT. The wetlands have been delineated on lot 2 as such that there would be a limitation to any future work in that wetland area. Therefore there is no significant adverse environment impact with regard to this proposal. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. Mr. Geiss said that since the applicant is not creating any residential lots there is no park fee involved with regard to this action. Motion # 07-68 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the Cannata Meadow subdivision State Fair Blvd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 064 - 01 - 33.1. This is for the subdivision of the parcel that frontages on NYS Route 48 and O'Brien Rd. as shown on the applicant's map entitled Final Plot Cannata Meadows which is dated March 9, 2007. This shows lot 1 to have a final acreage of 5.53 acres, lot 2 which will have 6 acres, lot 3 which will be 42.74 acres and lot 4 which will be .92 acres. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion. Motion carried, unanimously. PLAINVILLE TURKEY FARMS, INC - SITE PLAN Interstate Island Rd. Tax Map Parcel ID# 056-03-10.1 IND Zoning District Mr. Dan Falzinski was present to address the Board. Mr. Geiss read the County comments aloud. Mr. Ruddock recused himself. Motion # 07 - 69 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to hold the application until more Board members were present since they would not be able to make any decisions. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. Mr. Ruddock rejoined the Board. ARROW SPACE, INC - SITE PLAN Route 31 at W. Sorrell Hill Rd. Tax map Parcel ID# 33-03-15 PUD Zoning District Mr. Joe Mastroianni and Mr. Joe Kiselica were present to address the Board. Mr. Geiss read the County comments aloud. Mr. Geiss said that one of the questions that were raised was storm water run off and he believes the applicant has submitted drainage calculations and asked what facilities those drainage calculations cover. Mr. Mastroianni said that detention basin one covers everything that would be coming off the back which would be caught in a swale and also whatever run off comes off of the storage area. Detention 2 will be taking what is coming down the road way and anything off of the front. There is a difference in sizing and Detention basin 2 is larger and it would be needed volume wise and the idea is that if there is future development what would be changed in the basin would be easier to do now in today's dollars and basically what is going to change would be inside the basin geometry wise; the footprint would be roughly the same so the idea was to just do it now. If it is not needed it is oversized but if something does get done the basin would not have to be changed. Mr. Geiss said that basin two is envisioning some development there and it is taking the roadway drainage. Mr. Mastroianni said that basically what they did was when they came in for the Arrow Fence facility they used that impervious surface amount for the calculations. Mr. Geiss asked what is going on in the steep area to the south, will there be any future build out there to the property line. Mr. Mastroianni said that it will remain the way it is now. Mr. Geiss said that the commercial driveway is going to be 24ft wide. Mr. Billings said that he believes that is a minimum. Mr. Geiss asked if the lighting plan has been reviewed. Mr. Billings said that it has been reviewed and is acceptable. Mr. Geiss said that one of the County's final comments was about erosion control during post construction and he believes they are looking at the steep slopes to the south. Mr. Mastroianni said that within 30 days of major activity being done by DEC regulations there has to be some kind of ground cover put on such as seeding mulch and everything else and everything that is coming down here gets caught in the 10ft swale which would be taking everything in to the detention basin. They are going to cut back approximately maybe 50ft and actually that is going to gentle the slope from what it is now. Mr. Geiss asked if there was going to be landscaping; grass growth is what they are looking at. Mr. Mastroianni said they are looking at possibly putting some trees; just regular native ground cover similar to what is there. Mr. Geiss said that the landscaping plan doesn't show any trees in that area. Mr. Mastroianni said that what is up there is rather sparse and they would like to leave it the way it is but they can put some in at the Board's request. The Board and the applicant had a discussion about how that area looks now and what the applicant plans on doing to it. Mr. Thomas asked if the swale was going to be mowed. Mr. Mastroianni said yes; it is 10ft wide so it can be mowed. Mr. Billings said that B&L is going to be monitoring their construction activities for that and he is sure DEC will be out periodically so B&L will keep an eye out for that. Mr. Mastroianni said that they have to provide weekly inspection forms for the DEC for erosion. Mr. Mastroianni said that based on the last meeting they have decreased the spacing of the plantings and increased the number of plantings that they had before. The Board had a discussion with the applicant on the landscaping proposed for Route 31 and the applicant stated that it would be mowed and the back side would go back to the way it was. Mr. Mastroianni said that they are working with the DOT on replacing the fence and the DOT will allow them to replace it as long as they keep the same kind or better and there is a specific procedure they have to go through. They have to get approval so right now they are going through that process but it will be replaced with something better than is currently there now. Mr. Crandon asked what their access would be on this property for people. Mr. Kisalica said that there will be office hours but it will be accessible 24 hours. Mr. Crandon asked if they will be renting rental trucks. Mr. Kisalica said that he doesn't think so and if he decides to he will come back in front of the Board to get permission. Mr. Crandon asked if there were going to be any other storage services that they are providing such as selling boxes, pallets or that sort of thing. Mr. Kisalica said probably cardboard boxes but everything will be indoors. Mr. Crandon asked Mr. Pringle is this application needed to be reviewed by the fire department. Mr. Pringle said that the fire department has reviewed this for access and distance between buildings, water hydrants and the fire department has accepted the site plan as presented. Mr. Crandon asked the applicant what they were going to do about the red roofs. Mr. Kisalica said that he would like to keep the red roofs because he is trying to make a tie between Arrow Fence and Arrow Space and he brought a picture in of Arrow Fence for the Board to see. Mr. Crandon said look what they have around those red roofs; can they plant trees of that scale around the new buildings. Mr. Kisalica said that it would take a little time. Mr. Crandon said some of the storage unit proposals that have come before the Board have showed the main office building and the front building and that sort of thing have a raised roof on them and they do some flower boxes and those kinds of things along the front where the office is. Mr. Kisalica showed the Board a copy of his office plan. Mr. Crandon asked what the roof line was on the office building. Mr. Kisalica said 5 on 12. Mr. Kisalica said that they will be architectural shingles that are black asphalt shingles. Mr. Mastroianni said that during their first submission a few months ago the office plan was submitted. The Board discussed the positioning of the self storage buildings and office. Mr. Crandon asked what the pitch of the roof would be on the mini storage building. Mr. Kisalica said 2 on 12. The Board discussed what the buildings were going to look like and which buildings would be climate controlled. Mr. Crandon said that he still has to say what he said last month that he is not excited about the red roof color and he thinks it is offensive for people traveling on Route 690 south over the river and he thinks it is going to stick out like a sore thumb and he understands that they want identity. Mr. Mastroianni said that in comparison if you go across the river the existing facilities that are on the other side the buildings themselves are all red. Mr. Crandon asked where the applicant was talking about. Mr. Mastroianni said on the north side. Mr. Crandon said that can't be seen. Mr. Mastroianni said that they can be seen quite easy if someone is going up Route 690 and he believes that is redder than what the applicant is providing on his roof. Mr. Crandon said that he is still not happy to be very honest and he thinks the red color no matter what time the year but in the fall it will blend a little but that is about it. When someone is up on the Route 690 bridge coming over the river and such like they are going to looking right into it. Mr. Geiss said that the applicant is showing an alternate color of blue. Mr. Kisalica said that he is just trying to compromise. Mr. Crandon asked if the applicant could do green with a white trim or something like that. Mr. Kisalica said the other person coming in for storage is doing that and he is trying to do a separation of that. The Board had a discussion with the applicant about changing the configuration of the storage buildings. Mr. Crandon asked what other color the applicant can offer him besides red and blue. Mr. Kisalica said to be honest he would like to stay with red and he doesn't see any reason why he can't do that. Mr. Crandon said that he told the applicant the reason; it is because it will stick out like a sore thumb and he thinks it is offensive in winter as well as in summer and he is also not happy with the brush pile they are going to leave behind it because it is going to take a long time for that to heal where they took all the logs off. Mr. Kisalica said that they are going to be taking care of that; everything has been stripped off the top and it has to be dragged down below. Mr. Crandon told the applicant to offer him something. Mr. Kisalica said let them lose all the landscaping that the Board is making them put in and he will go with the green look. Mr. Crandon said that the applicant should know better that they are not going to get that. Mr. Kisalica said that the landscaping bill is unbelievable since he has had to change the landscaping and he looks around through the Town and he sees no other landscaping at any other site in this Town. Mr. Crandon said that is a strong statement. Mr. Kisalica said that they can walk right down the street right now to the mini storage facility and there is nothing as far as landscaping compared to what he had to do. Mr. Crandon told him to look at the site that they picked. Mr. Kisalica said that he doesn't follow that. Mr. Crandon said the visibility that the site has. Mr. Kisalica said that is why he picked that site. Mr. Crandon said that the applicant is going to have to make it look good. Mr. Geiss said that the Board has been asking for landscaping on every site plan that the Board has reviewed in this Town so he takes exception with the applicants' statement that landscaping is not done; landscaping is becoming a very important criteria as this Town develops and goes further and further with more establishments so yes, the criteria for landscaping is increasing and it will increase further as the Board goes with further development because sites are being picked such as this one that are more visible, sites that require additional work and it is becoming an increasing concern of everyone in the Town and that is what the Board is addressing. Mr. Kisalica said that the statement he made wasn't based that way he is just making a comparison to what he has going on. Mr. Geiss said that he understands that. Mr. Crandon said that the applicant has a big project; a lot of land area. Mr. Kisalica said landscaping to him as a fence guy is very important so he has every intention of making this look nice. Mr. Crandon said tone the red down so it is not so bright and he might talk with the applicant. Mr. Kisalica said that the Board has other color options in front of them and there are two red options in there. The Board discussed the other color options. Mr. Kisalica said that he also has pictures of the doors being colored but that is not what he is trying to do; he is trying to make it look the same as Arrow Fence is currently with white doors. Mr. Crandon said that the blue and green is less offensive than the red. Mr. Kisalica asked if the Board would prefer that he do the green doors. Mr. Crandon said that he doesn't want green doors either. The Board discussed the colors again. Mr. Geiss asked Mr. Crandon if he could work with the cedar red. Mr. Crandon said that he could work with that and asked the applicant if he was going to do white doors. Mr. Kisalica said yes. Mr. Crandon asked what type of trim would be on the building and said that the applicant was showing corner posts or valors. Mr. Kisalica said that he hasn't decided yet. Motion # 07 - 70 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion with regard to SEQR that the Board has already taken lead agency with regard to Arrow Space Inc. and its' site plan for Route 31 and West Sorrell Hill Rd. The applicant has developed a drainage retention plan to cover the existing site and an additional basin for future which is not totally defined at this time but there is for this development additional detention provided as part of the storm water plan also there is a landscaping plan that has been included as part of the project which addresses the view of this project from both Route 31 and Route 690. Erosion will be contained with the steep slopes that are involved in this construction and lighting for this project has shown that they will not affect outside the property itself. Therefore there is no adverse environmental impact with regard to this proposal. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. Motion # 07 - 71 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the Arrow Space Inc Site plan at Route 31 and West Sorrell Hill Rd. Tax Map Parcel ID# 033-03-15. This is as proposed on plans by the applicant dated 4/23/07. Further provisions or conditions of this are that there is no plan development to the property to the south of the storage facility which is the steep bank that is in that area. The lighting plan has been accepted; the driveway is a commercial driveway and is located per the NYS DOT. There will be a provision that the post erosion will be monitored by the Town engineer and will be reviewed for a period of one year minimum. The roof color shall be red cedar and be as part of the building using white doors on the buildings. Any future development of the parcel will require submittal to the Planning Board for review before anything can be done in that area. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion passed; unanimously. Mr. Kisalica wrote a letter to the Board stating that there will be no parking of his Arrow Fence facility vehicles at this proposed site. The Board accepted Mr. Kisalica's letter. Mr. Knapp joined the Board but abstained from discussion on this item. PLAINVILLE TURKEY FARMS, INC - SITE PLAN Interstate Island Rd Tax map Parcel Id# 056-03-10.1 IND Zoning District Mr. Ruddock recused himself from this discussion. Mr. Mark Bitz and Mr. Dan Falzinski were present to address the Board. Mr. Falzinski said that there aren't a lot of changes to the previous site plan. The landscaping will be provided along the road side of the building and possibly up near the right of way. The handicap parking has also been relocated to by the front entrance. Mr. Geiss asked where they were going to be taking out 22, 543sf of asphalt. Mr. Bitz said that the building floor right now is level with the site and they have to create docks at normal dock height so in front of the docks they have to take out all that soil. Mr. Geiss said that County Planning had that as a comment and he didn't realize they were doing that. The Board discussed the new parking area with the applicant. Mr. Falzinski said that on the left hand corner of the site plan there is a summary of parking and the required parking is 62 spaces and they have provided 102 so they are in excess of the code requirement and they do meet the 5 handicap parking spaces and they are also in excess of the loading zone requirements. Mr. Falzinski said in response to County comments they have developed a storm water report and it has been provided to B&L and the report does show that they are able to mitigate the increase of storm water run off from this development and there is no increase in run off. Mr. Geiss asked if it affected either Rt. 690 or the Thruway. Mr. Billings said it does not. Mr. Falzinski said they also submitted a lighting plan to B&L. Mr. Billings said that B&L has that and for the record the lighting plan does show that no lighting leaves the site. Mr. Geiss said that County commented on the fact that the applicant is actually underneath the National Grid lines and asked if they have received anything from National Grid to permit parking under there. Mr. Falzinski said that they do not have an official letter of approval but they have made contact with National Grid and they do not believe it is going to be a major issue and it is a pretty customary approval when they are only dealing with grade changes of maybe one to two feet. The Board had a discussion about the power line. Mr. Pringle said that the Fire Department had a few concerns that the applicant has addressed. Mr. Geiss asked if the gas and diesel storage meets requirements. Mr. Pringle said that the only question the Fire Department had was in the back corner the underground 5,000 diesel and he takes it that is to supply the generator. Mr. Bitz said yes. Mr. Pringle asked if there was going to be any fueling. Mr. Bitz said no. Mr. Crandon asked what the applicant was going to run for a generator. Mr. Bitz said that it won't be running a lot of the time and that there is a lot of refrigeration so it will be used if the power goes out. Mr. Crandon said that when Sysco came in and put in a larger generator, engine, and that sort of thing the Board asked them questions like noise and that sort of thing and asked if the applicant had any idea what the decibel rating was on the engine when it is running. Mr. Geiss asked if it was going to be inside the building. Mr. Bitz said that it will be inside the building and it will hardly ever run. Mr. Geiss said that he thinks the Board is more concerned when they are outside the building. Mr. Crandon said that they are going to exhaust outdoors and he thinks that the applicant should find a decibel rating on that engine and give it to the Codes Officer. Mr. Geiss said that the Board can call for a muffled discharge. Mr. Pringle said that they supply what is called a residential muffler and Penn Detroit Diesel offers them. Mr. Bitz asked if the Board realizes that there is no residential around there and the Thruway is right there and this will only run during a power outage. Mr. Crandon said that he understands that but this application can't be treated different than other applications. The Board discussed residential mufflers. Mr. Crandon asked about landscaping. Mr. Falzinski said that on the western most entrance there are some trees provided as shown on the plans and on the right of way from west to east there will be a berm area and some mulch and plantings up against the front office and beyond that there is not that much more but this may need to be treated a little differently because of it's existing use. Mr. Bitz said that it is also at the end of a dead end and not traversed by the public. Mr. Geiss said that he doesn't see anything between the parking lots and yes, there is a dead end there but also yes that the Board required plantings from Meyer's Campers if he remembers right they had plantings along the road. In lieu of the applicant taking up the whole grass area for the parking lot the Board looked at and he doesn't know if it was extensive but there were some trees growing through there if he remembers right. Mr. Bitz said that he would be happy to plant trees and he likes trees but he would like not to do an elaborate landscaping. Mr. Crandon said that he doesn't think the Board is looking for elaborate and asked if the applicant was going to keep the area mowed between the parking lot and Interstate Island Rd. Mr. Falzinski said that the one problem that he foresees however is they do have a drainage swale proposed on the north side of that parking area so would the Board entertain putting some trees out near the right of way or in to the right of way. Mr. Geiss said no because when they get out into the right of way they are going to impede visibility for traffic which the Board can not allow. Mr. Billings said that he thinks the drainage swale can probably be shifted one way or the other to make some space. Mr. Falzinski said that is a 20ft area so maybe there is some space. Mr. Geiss said there is some space to do both and what he would be looking at is planting similar to what or a minimum to what was done at Meyer's Campers and the Board gave a very reasonable spacing on those and it was more in the 20ft range. Mr. Billings said that B&L provided a memo today with their comments to the site plan and the new plan that the applicant has submitted tonight generally addresses most of those. The comments were based on clarifications and that sort of thing so he doesn't think it is anything that is going to hold up the approval but he wanted to let the Board know that they did provide a memo. Mr. Crandon asked what the signage was going to be. Mr. Bitz said there will be one sign on Interstate Island Rd. at the facility just so people know that they are there. The Board discussed the type of sign that was allowed. Mr. Bitz said that they will probably do a monument type on the ground. Mr. Geiss asked if the signage would have a similar color as the submittal. Mr. Bitz said gold, green and black. Motion # 07 - 72 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion with regard to SEQR that the Board has already taken lead agency with regard to the Plainville Turkey Farms Inc. site plan for Interstate Island Rd. They are looking at modifications to a site where there is an existing building and they are providing additional parking area and in so doing in modifying some current parking but they have included in this site plan landscaping and are agreeable to providing landscaping along Interstate Island Rd. The handicap parking has been provided and they have met all the fire department requirements. The drainage that they are providing will have no increase with any drainage leaving the site and will not impact Route 690 or the NYS Thruway and the lighting plan as proposed for this site plan; no lighting will leave the site. Therefore there is no adverse environmental impact with regard to this proposal. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Knapp. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; on a roll call vote that follows: Mr. Virginia absent Mr. Thomas yes Mr. Knapp yes Mr. Crandon yes Mr. Ruddock recused Ms. Sabin excused Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes Vote: 4 yes, 0 no, 3 other Motion # 07 - 73 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the site plan for Plainville Turkey Farms Inc. Interstate Island Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 056-03-10.1. This is the plan as submitted by the applicant which is dated February 2007 with latest revision date of 5/7/07. The plan in addition to what is shown the applicant has agreed to provide planting along Interstate Island Rd. between the parking lot and Interstate Island Rd. within the property and this planting is to be similar in spacing and trees to what is being provided along Interstate Island Rd. with reference to Meyer's Campers as a minimum of what the Board is looking for in this area also there is a condition that no work will begin on the parking lot until the applicant has obtained an approval from National Grid for the parking lot to be located under the power lines. The discharge from the generator will be towards the Thruway and a muffler will be provided on that discharge for that generator and also that the additional comments by the engineer need to be satisfied. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion; motion passed on a roll call vote that follows: Mr. Virginia absent Mr. Thomas yes Mr. Knapp yes Mr. Crandon yes Mr. Ruddock recused Ms. Sabin excused Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes Vote: 4 yes, 0 no, 3 other Mr. Ruddock rejoined the Board at this time. PADDOCK FARMLAND - SUBDIVISION Old State Route 31 Tax Map Parcel Id# 046 - 06 - 11.1 Mr. Jeff Hagar was present to address the Board. Mr. Geiss read the County comments aloud. Mr. Geiss said that what the Board is currently looking at is the division of a parcel that is currently 2.673 acres off of the total parcel leaving a balance of 60.226 acres for the remaining parcel and on this the applicant is showing a proposed 70ft access to the back lands that would be for future. Currently this meets speed requirements but in the future with future developments the applicant has to look at a speed reduction to get any access to the larger parcel. Mr. Hager said that they are not concerned with that right now they are just concerned with the smaller parcel. Mr. Geiss asked what the remaining 60.22 acres was going to remain as. Mr. Hager said farmland and it is currently rented out to Sholten who farms that. Mr. Geiss asked if anyone had any questions. Mr. Crandon said that comment number 4 of the County comments is making a hardship for this young couple and he would like to suggest as a local Planning Board that they vote to override comment number four and he doesn't think it is necessary for the applicant to have to do a full survey, build out, and drainage plan for the privilege of a two acres building lot. This parcel has had very little subdivision activity or anything for quite a few years. Mr. Geiss said that he could accept that and that the current build out plan for this would be farmland which meets the requirements that the County asked for. Motion # 07 - 74 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion with regard to the Paddock subdivision Old State Route 31 that the Board has previously taken lead agency with regard to this project. The project includes the subdivision of 2.673 acres off of a larger parcel which would then have a remaining acreage of 60.22 acres. This subdivision is located along Route 31 which has municipal water at the road and they also have proposed in this subdivision that a 70ft access be provided for future if there is any development in the back parcel. Therefore there is no adverse environmental impact in regards to this proposal. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion, motion passed; unanimously. Motion # 07-75 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the Paddock farmland subdivision at Old State Route 31 Tax Map Parcel Id# 046-06-11.1. This is as submitted on the applicant's map which is dated December 19, 2006 with latest revision February 23, 2007. This shows the proposed lot of 2.673 acres coming off of a larger parcel which would then have a remaining acreage of 60.226 acres. The applicant with the following conditions that any proposed septic system be approved by the Onondaga County Department of Health and that the 70ft area shown is for right of way to the back parcel or the remaining 60.226 acres and that any future development in this area would require a reduction in speed that must be approved by the NYS DOT. Both proposed lots must be labeled that this has not been reviewed by the County Health Department for residential development until the applicant gets that approved and the future development the applicant has submitted that this currently has no development planned and that the use of this land will remain as farmland therefore there is no formal development plan shown for this 60.226 acres. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion, motion carried on a roll call vote that follows: Mr. Virginia absent Mr. Thomas yes Mr. Knapp yes Mr. Crandon yes Mr. Ruddock yes Ms. Sabin excused Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes Vote: 5 yes, 0 no, 2 other Motion # 07 - 76 WHEREAS Town Code Section 175-5 (C) establishes the criteria for the reservation of parkland on residential subdivision plats or the imposition of a sum of money in lieu thereof; and WHEREAS, the purpose of such a provision is to prevent deterioration in the quality of park and recreational services to residents in the Town of Van Buren as a result of a new residential development; and WHEREAS, based on the present and anticipated future needs for park and recreational facilities in the Town relative to the projected population growth in the Town to which the Paddock subdivision will contribute, a proper case exists for requiring that a park or parks be suitably located for playground or other recreational purposes within the Town; and WHEREAS, a suitable park or parks of adequate size to meet the Town's requirements can not be properly located within the Paddock subdivision, nor is there a need for such additional facilities in the immediate neighborhood, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that a proper case exists regarding the Paddock Subdivision development for requiring the developer pay a park fee of $150 per lot. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion, motion carried; unanimously. BEMIS PROPERTY AMENDED - SUBDIVISION Rt. 31 and Conners Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 32-03-11.1 Ms. Bemis was present to address the Board. Mr. Geiss read the County comments aloud. The Board had a discussion with the applicant about the previous map that was sent down to County and the revisions to the current map. Mr. Geiss asked if the Board had any questions since the Board discussed this last month. Mr. Geiss stated that there is no park fees involved with this because there are no new residential lots being created. Motion # 07-77 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion with regard to SEQR that the Planning Board has previously taken lead agency with regard to the Bemis property subdivision. This is the subdivision of the overall property which is 10.78 acres of which 3.12 acres is going to be subdivided off and then combined with the existing Holmes property and also dividing off .21 acres to be combined with the Bemis property both of the properties are on Connors Rd. There is no adverse environmental impact with regard to this proposed subdivision. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion, motion carried; unanimously. Motion # 07-78 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the subdivision for the Bemis property at Route 31 and Connors Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 032-03-11.1. This is per the map submitted by the applicant dated December 28, 2006 and revised April 10, 2007. The conditions of this approval are that lot 3b of 3.12 acres will be created of an overall acreage of 10.78 acres and that lot 3b will be combined with the existing lot which will then be named Holmes property and also that lot 3c of .21 acres will be divided off the larger parcel and combined with the Bemis property and also the remaining lot 3a will only have access off of Connors Rd. There will be no access off of NYS Route 31. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion, motion carried; unanimously. B&C STORAGE FACILITY - SITE PLAN State Fair Blvd. Tax Map Parcel Id# Part of 64 - 01 - 33.1 Mr. Bruce Pollack and Mr. Charlie Lockwood were present to address the Board. Mr. Geiss read the County comments aloud. Mr. Pollack said since the last meeting they have had their engineer working with the Town engineer and he believes they have resolved all of the drainage and situations. They have also better defined the landscaped wall along the paved area and also provided the Board with a plan for these walls which has been broken into segments because of the length of the strip and they thought it might be better to have clusters with some grass in front of it to break it up and make it nicer. They have provided an architectural rendering to give the Board an idea of the site and they provided pictures previously and that is pretty much where they are at, at this point. He believes they have a building that they removed because of the size of the retention basin so they have eliminated one building since the plan that they submitted last month. Mr. Crandon said that in the picture that the applicant has presented it shows a raised roof in the front buildings and asked the applicant if that was correct and asked the pitch. Mr. Pollack said that it was 3 on 12. Mr. Crandon asked if the building behind it will be lower and if they were going to maintain the green color. Mr. Pollack said yes. Mr. Crandon asked if there was an office in the first building on the left and if there was access to that building in the front. Mr. Pollack said yes a small office and that access to that building will be regular doors on the back side and there will be an interior hallway that can be accessed from the south end of the building and people would have to come through the gate and then down the hallway. Mr. Crandon asked if this was the only climate controlled building. Mr. Pollack said yes. Mr. Crandon asked Mr. Pringle if the fire department reviewed this. Mr. Pringle said that the fire department is satisfied. Mr. Crandon asked if B&L was satisfied with the environmental stuff. Mr. Billings said that the applicant has gone back and forth with B&L quite a bit last month but he doesn't believe that B&L has seen a lighting plan yet. Mr. Pollack said they will be bringing that in. The Board discussed the lighting plan. Mr. Thomas asked about signage. Mr. Pollack said that the signage will be located right along as you pull in as other people have per code and there will be nothing outside of code and they will not be going for variances. Mr. Crandon asked if it would be building sign or monument. Mr. Pollack said that it would be a free standing sign. Mr. Geiss said that the applicant is allowed that and it needs to be so far off of the right of way as well which would be 15ft and he thinks the applicant has room at that location for it. Mr. Geiss asked about the color of the sign. Mr. Pollack said white with blue lettering. Mr. Geiss asked about the area that is impacted by the wetlands. Mr. Pollack said that there is a little triangle. Mr. Billings said that it is less than a tenth so they are all set and the only thing that he would like to clarify if he could is one of the County's comments said that the back residual portion of the property is going to be deed restricted for future development. Mr. Pollack said that they certainly need to come back to the Planning Board to do anything back there. Mr. Geiss said that he thinks that the Board could restrict it so that nothing can happen unless it comes back and it submitted to the Board. The Board discussed the County's deed restriction comment. Mr. Geiss asked if they had a signed set of plans. Mr. Pringle said that the applicant has time because the Cannata subdivision just got approved and that has to be filed first. Mr. Geiss asked that the applicant bring in all their plans signed and stamped. The Board had a discussion about approving the plans at tonight's meeting with conditions and accepting the signed plans next month and giving final approval. Motion # 07-79 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion with regard to SEQR that the Planning Board has taken lead agency with regard to B&C Storage at State Fair Blvd Tax Map Parcel ID# part of 064-01-33.1. This is for the construction of self storage facilities on this site. There are concerns that there is an existing drainage way through this site of which the applicant has not impacted through addressing that they stayed away from it. There is no septic requirement being that there are no facilities or employees on this site. The applicant has provided for drainage retention on the site as well. They have also provided a landscape plan which shows plantings and also protected the adjacent homeowners with a 6ft high solid wood fence. There is no adverse environmental impact with regard to this proposal. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. Motion # 07-80 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to approve the site plan for B&C Storage State Fair Blvd Tax Map Parcel ID# part of 064-01-33.1 recognizing that this is lot 2 of the Cannata Meadow's subdivision that was previously approved this evening. The applicant has a set of maps which they have submitted which are dated March 23, 2007 along with a landscaping map which is dated April 27, 2007 and a rendering map which is undated showing the plans for this site. The conditions of this is that the lighting plan for this project must be submitted to the Town engineer for approval, any sign on this property will meet code and will be white with blue lettering and the final approval of this is that the signed plans must be submitted back to the Planning Board and must be approved at the Board's next meeting. If there is any proposed septic system for this parcel it must be approved by the Onondaga County Health Department. The applicant has already obtained the applicable permits with NYS DEC for this project; further that the development of the residual portion of the property to the south west will require that the applicant must come back to the Town Planning Board prior to anything happening on this portion of the property. There will be no deed restriction provided on this specifically. The requirement is that the Board receives a set of plans to review and the Board will vote to accept those plans at the Board's next meeting. The vote tonight requires a second vote at the next meeting. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Knapp. There was no further discussion, motion carried on a roll call vote that follows: Mr. Virginia absent Mr. Thomas yes Mr. Knapp yes Mr. Crandon yes Mr. Ruddock yes Ms. Sabin excused Mr. Geiss, Chairman yes Vote: 5 yes, 0 no, 2 other GERALD SNOW - SUBDIVISION New State Route 31 and Warners Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 047-02-6.1 Mr. Doug Reith was present to address the Board. Mr. Reith said that what they are looking to do is cut off a 1.7 acre parcel of this property at Route 31 and Warners Rd. It is coming out of roughly 105 acres to put a residential house on it. There are a few driveways coming off of Route 31 and they have received a permit from the State for the middle one and they are also looking to keep a 60ft ingress/egress on the south end of the lot for access to the back farms. They are also adding 50ft to an existing parcel increasing it to 250ft of frontage on Warners Rd. Mr. Geiss said that is the Gerald Snow property and that is 1.15 acres is the total acreage and the acreage of the other parcel is 1.739 and then the remaining acreage in the farm is roughly 103 acres. Mr. Reith said yes. Mr. Geiss said that has quite a setback from the road and that is originally from the road being wider at that point. Mr. Reith said originally right of way is where the Board as seeing it now and they took a lot on the west side of the road to straighten out the pavement. Mr. Geiss said that is the reason why it is so deep there. Mr. Geiss asked if there were any other questions. Motion # 07-81 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare this as a minor subdivision. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Thomas. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. Motion # 07-82 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare the Town of Van Buren Planning Board as lead agency, a single agency, uncoordinated review for the unlisted action under SEQR for the Gerald Snow subdivision New State Route 31 and Warners Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 047-02-6.1. This is for the creation of a new lot of 1.739 acres and the addition of acreage such that the Gerald F. Snow residential property will now be 1.151 acres and the remaining acres would be approximately 103 acres for the rest of the farm. Mr. Ruddock moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion, motion carried; unanimously. Motion # 07-83 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to refer the Gerald Snow subdivision to Onondaga County for review. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion, motion carried; unanimously. LAMERE SUBDIVISION E. Dead Creek Rd. & Sheets Rd. Tax Map Parcel Id# 049-02-04.1 Mr. Thomas LaMere was present to address the Board. Mr. LaMere said that they are subdividing 70 some odd acres and he doesn't have a final map because of the changes at the last minute but they are taking off 3 some odd acres for a residential lot. Mr. Geiss said basically they are forming a lot 4 which is 3.172 acres with the remaining parcel being 73.23 acres. Mr. Crandon asked if activity was done on this a while ago. Mr. LaMere said yes two other lots were subdivided off, lots 2 and 3. The Board discussed which lots were previously subdivided off. Motion # 07-84 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare this LaMere subdivision as a major subdivision. Mr. Ruddock moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. Motion # 07-85 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to declare the Town of Van Buren Planning Board as lead agency, a single agency, uncoordinated review for the unlisted action under SEQR for the LaMere subdivision at E. Dead Creek Rd and Sheets Rd Tax Map Parcel Id# 049-02-4.1. This is a subdivision creating lot 4 of 3.172 acres and the remaining land would be 73.232 acres. Mr. Crandon moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Thomas. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. Motion # 07-86 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to refer the LaMere subdivision to Onondaga County for review. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Ruddock. There was no further discussion, motion carried; unanimously Motion # 07-87 Mr. Geiss asked the Board to entertain a motion to call a Public Hearing for the LaMere subdivision for June 4, 2007 at 7:05p.m. Mr. Thomas moved to accept the motion, seconded by Mr. Crandon. There was no further discussion. Motion carried; unanimously. RIVER MALL - SIGNAGE PLAN 2265 Downer St. Tax Map Parcel Id# 034-04-6.1 Mr. Dan Draucker and Mr. David Risanti were present to address the Board. Mr. Draucker said that what he wanted to do today was have the Board more clearly define the criteria for the store front signs and Mr. Pringle also asked him to give the Board an update as to the improvements and what is taking place at River Mall. Mr. Draucker said since they bought the shopping center in the middle of 2006 to date they have spent approximately $70,000 on asphalt repairs, $40,000 in painting, $30,000 in landscaping improvements and re-striping and things like that. They have an additional $20,000 for more asphalt work that they are under contract for right now and that is going to address the areas behind the two shopping centers, the P&C and the Grossman's Bargain Outlet. They are in the process of putting a $250,000 roof over 79,000sf of the center and they have just un-demised two 3600sf spaces and completely gutted them and they are building an Express Rentals which is a new vender coming to Town that is a regional tenant for them that is going to be coming to the shopping center. They are very close to relocating the Real Deal Dollar Store from where they are next to P&C in between the Bargain Outlet and the existing Family Dollar. The Board discussed the discount stores being next to each other. Mr. Draucker said that they are continuing to make a lot of improvements to the shopping center and if they make the Real Deals relocate they are going to plan a façade renovation that would go from P&C down to their other new tenant Wireless Connections and they will do a façade renovation over that whole area to make it blend in more with the P&C grocery store. Mr. Draucker said that he missed the meeting in November and the Board graciously approved plans to renovate the pylon sign and that was under conditions that they came up with a consistent sign criterion for the store fronts and unfortunately he didn't make the meeting and he believes that was left a little vague. The first tenant who applied for a sign permit and Mr. Pringle approved proposed 12in. red channel letters on a race way on a 1400sf space. They have Express Rentals going into a 7200sf space with 3 times as much store frontage and he is hoping to get just a little more clarity on how much signage that they are allowed or if the Board can come up with some type of formula like what is done with free standing buildings for the shopping center. Mr. Draucker handed the Board an example and said that what they would like to see happen is to allow 2sf of sign on the store front for each linear foot of frontage or sign banner. Mr. Geiss asked what is currently allowed. Mr. Pringle said signage for malls has to be approved by the Planning Board. Mr. Geiss asked what the criteria are on normal properties. Mr. Pringle said that it is 1 for 1. Mr. Draucker showed the Board a proposal for the new Real Deals sign with 25in letters. Mr. Geiss said that the Board's big concern that raises these questions is that the Dollar store came in and wanted to put another sign up on the front where the store front comes out and the Board listened to them and decided to give them something and the Board thought that it was going to blend in with the rest of the shopping center and they put this little red square sign with white letters after the Board went out of its way to help them out because they stated that they couldn't be seen from the road and then they put a little sign in and the Board envisioned something to blend in with the rest of the architecture of the front of the building and it didn't look good. Mr. Draucker said that he agrees and one thing that they have in their favor on that is that it is in every one of their leases that once they completely renovate the façade and have a canopy over top of the Family Dollar all the way down to the Chinese restaurant then they can insist that the tenants come to standards with their existing sign criteria and that will happen so what they are proposing is channel letters on a raceway, the raceway to be painted the same color as the building or the façade, bronze cans in either red or white faces and internally illuminated. Mr. Geiss said that the applicant is asking for 2sf for every linear foot. Mr. Draucker said yes and showed the Board another couple of drawings of Wireless Connections that was permitted in which they had 18ft of frontage and they went with 12in letters in two lines and their sign is going to be installed next week is 33sf. so just a tad below the 2sf per linear foot of frontage. They don't allow banners and they don't allow yard signs and he actually pulled two of them up when he drove through there. They would not have approved the Bargain Outlet sign; they would have required them also to have the channel letters on the raceway had they owned the property at that time and as they work through their façade renovation that is what they are going to have to do. Mr. Draucker said what they are entertaining right now is if they fill these spaces that he has mentioned they are going to have a 20,000sf space left and that is going to be to the right of the Bargain Outlet and they have put a store front in there to make it look like leasable space and it turned out beautiful and they are working with People's Department Store to possibly occupy that space and he is not going to be able to do that with 12in signs. Mr. Pringle said that it is an old mall and it sits back off the road and parking is in front so it is tough to see from the road even with the Pylon sign, and even with putting the signs on the Pylon. If it's put into scale of what's being looked at from the road it can barely be seen. Mr. Drauker showed the Board pictures from the road of the mall to show that the signs can not be seen that well. Mr. Pringle said that it is not the size that he has a problem with it is being consistent. Mr. Drauker said that the channel letters on the raceway is standard with the Phillips Edison shopping centers. Mr. Geiss asked if they were responsible for the drainage improvements or was that done prior. Mr. Draucker said that he is responsible for finishing them and he has a meeting with a contractor to do three more catch basins and some of the work that was done by Libby previously was already failing but what has been done has made a huge improvement and that work was not underway when he was assigned but through the due diligence process it was completed afterwards but there is still a little more to do. Mr. Geiss said Libby subdivided off the Rite-Aid property and asked if that was theirs or if it stayed with Libby. Mr. Draucker said that from what he understands that was part of the deal and it is theirs but it is a land lease only so they just lease the land and Rite-Aid is responsible for their own development. Mr. Crandon asked about the picture of the Pylon that Mr. Draucker handed to the Board and said that he knows the Board supposedly agreed on that back in November and asked if they intended to put the signs that closely together on the Pylon. Mr. Draucker said yes, to maximize the space and give every tenant a space on the sign. Mr. Crandon said since they supposedly approved that he saw another one out somewhere and he couldn't get over at the time that he thought it was way too cluttered that the signs lose their identity and he was hoping maybe that it could be reconsidered or something. Maybe they can get enough contrast between signs that it won't look so bad. Mr. Draucker said that they might be able to do something with the colors because the colors aren't set in stone. Mr. Crandon said that he is not as excited about them being all squeezed together like he thought he was. Mr. Draucker said that they are trying to maintain the visibility underneath it because they had a for lease sign that he immediately removed at the Board's request because of sight but he could probably separate them out some more and make the spaces in between them a little larger. Mr. Crandon said that he thinks that would help a little. Mr. Geiss said that this is an approved sign and if the applicant wants to resubmit than it is up to him. The Board had a discussion about not making casual changes after an applicant has already been approved. Mr. Pringle said that he hasn't released the permit yet because part of the deal was having consistency within the mall and really it has only been one tenant that has held this at bay but that will be resolved as of tonight. The Board discussed the channel letters and the purpose of a raceway with the applicant. Mr. Ruddock asked what the current size of lettering at Bargain Outlet is. Mr. Draucker said that he believes that is a box sign and it was done before the